Question:
Lunar Landing Conspiracies?
Diocletian
2014-03-11 16:55:47 UTC
Alright. So I know people who are Moon landing conspiracy theorists. I've heard a good few conspiracy theories, but I heard a new one today: "Look at the rivets: there are not enough, and they are not spaced out correctly. Also the sheet metal is buckled, and then there is a museum model that does actually have the correct rivets; therefore, it wasn't structurally sound, and we couldn't have gotten to the moon." Any thoughts on this? And any help debunking it?
Twelve answers:
John W
2014-03-11 17:51:43 UTC
Rivets are the easiest way to make an airtight seal as the metal contracts as it cools from red hot to room temperature but remember any metal structure would be covered by multi-layer insulation so many of the rivets wouldn't even be visible if they were there. I would've expected that welding would've been used to save on mass, but rivets are very much still used today for airtight and watertight seals.



Keep in mind that temperatures in space would drop to below minus 250 fahrenheit when not exposed to the Sun but would heat to over 250 fahrenheit when exposed to the Sun. They would not want their pressure hull exposed in space.



The wrinkles in the spacesuit are there to maintain a constant volume as the limbs are bent, otherwise it would be impossible to bend the limbs in a vacuum. The ISS spacesuits are hard shells but they too have folds along the joints to maintain a constant volume. There are no anomalies for NASA to explain, only the poor education of the conspiracy theorists.
PhotonX
2014-03-12 02:22:39 UTC
These conspiratards will always be moving the goalposts. You could actually fly some of these retards to the Moon, land next to the Apollo sites, and they would later claim that they were hypnotized and made to believe that a vast world-wide conspiracy was launched to make them believe that they had been to the Moon when they actually had not.

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If the orbital photographs of the actual landing sites, including the bottom landing portions of the LEMs as well as footpaths made by the astronauts isn't enough to convince them, nothing will, and you're just wasting your time on morons. That was one of their previous "proofs" that the landing never happened--why, they asked, if we landed on the Moon, aren't there pictures made by telescopes of the landing sites? They were oblivious to any explanations about angular resolution and resolving power of telescopes, it just had to be a conspiracy. So now that we do indeed have such images, they are claiming that robots were sent to the Moon to construct fake landing sites. Their idiocy knows no bounds, and probably the best thing to do is simply ignore the fools, with a reminder to yourself to never trust anything they say about anything.

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If nothing else, the Moon Landing serves as a good idiot detector.

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SpartanCanuck
2014-03-12 05:51:07 UTC
Arbitrary statement is arbitrary. Did your friend actually provide any evidence to back up his insistence?



You should associate with smarter people.



Damn. Harley has imagined some new anomalies today based upon his hallucinations of what the lunar environment (and physics as a whole) should be like. I'm impressed that he's finally stopped repeating the same broken record like a parrot with a brain injury and invented new woo to justify his psychosis.
Roger K
2014-03-12 00:34:31 UTC
Since the moon landings, all 6 of them, really did happen, then comments that people make about rivets are completely irrelevant.



I would not believe anything that a hoax believer claims. Their statements will be either intentionally misleading, woefully ignorant of basic physics, or deliberately slanted with incorrect premises and conclusions that cannot be logically drawn from the statement.
?
2014-03-12 02:36:50 UTC
The "sheet metal" buckled because it is not sheet metal at all. The LM's assent stage outer skin was made of several dozen layers of Mylar and gold foil. You don't use rivets on Mylar. The LM's descent stage was wrapped in gold foil to reflect the sunlight.
Harley Drive
2014-03-11 23:59:56 UTC
It's very odd there are dozens of anomalies which nasa are unable to explain or just say the questions are based on dubious science.



The space suits were pressurized but in the moon's vacuum they still had wrinkles and folds, if you watch the guys repairing the space station you can see the suits are under tension, in all the "landings" there are no long distance or panoramic shots and some pictures are exactly the same in DIFFERENT landings which nasa attribute to "poor editing", mythbusters got nowhere near explaining some of the anomalies even the "mirror on the moon" section didn't ring true, at the astronomical station where the laser is situated the earth is rotating at 700 mph so if you fire a laser at the moon the reflected beam returns in 3 seconds by which time the detector will be half a mile away, also there is the fact that diffusion and refraction in the atmosphere would make hitting a 2 foot square mirror on a moving body from another moving body from 250000 miles away a feat of marksmanship beyond any human possibility. with a laser you couldn't hit a 2x2 mirror on earth from 24 miles let alone 240000 miles also the air conditioning units on the suits would have required more water than the entire module could carry and anyway would not work properly in a vacuum , the supposed accident on apollo 13 was also not possible, a plane at 35000 feet that has an explosion disintegrates in seconds yet the module in a vacuum with a thinner skin than a plane stayed together, congress was about to cut nasa's budget at the time but the " accident" restored public interest in the moon shots, a happy co-incidence?

I have examined the photos from the orbiter, I can't see any footprints, but nobody is claiming that equipment didn't go to the moon just that it wasn't manned , the radio signals had to come from space or the moon or that would have been picked up immediately, there also numerous shots of static flags starting, on their own, to move especially when someone walked near them - not possible in a vacuum, also in every video or picture the flag in each mission is in a different position with different folds, which would not happen in a vacuum also a one foot hop or jump on earth would be 6-7 feet on the moon , did anyone see a 6 foot jump from ANY astronaut? they were clearly weighed down by equipment that shouldn't have weighed much in moon gravity, the equipment weighed about 100 lbs on earth -about 18 lbs on the moon carrying 100lbs I can still jump just over a foot high which on the moon would be over six feet, the dust spray from the lunar rover would also have gone 20-30 feet high not the 2-3 feet we saw, the peculiar way the "astronauts " walked around also hid that they were not in moon gravity a small hop would have propelled them 6-7 feet laterally, I am not saying they definitely didn't go I just wonder why there are SO many anomalies, kennedy's pledge to put a man on the moon before the end of the decade put huge pressure on america and we would have looked like fools if it had not been done, the rivets theory may be another indicator that things as presented were not right
vorenhutz
2014-03-12 00:00:58 UTC
seriously... rivets? isn't that scraping the bottom of the barrel? I don't know why the real LEM might be riveted differently to a museum model... maybe because the lunar environment is different to the earth's? pressure, gravity, etc...
Iridflare
2014-03-12 00:06:25 UTC
"there are not enough"

How many should there be? Why?



" they are not spaced out correctly. "

How should they be spaced out? Why?



"Also the sheet metal is buckled"

So what? Was the sheet metal structurally important?



"and then there is a museum model that does actually have the correct rivets"

What museum model? Where? Who says they're correct?
quantumclaustrophobe
2014-03-12 21:14:22 UTC
Oh, I never try to convince a conspiracy theorist.... I let them think what they'd like, and wish them a nice day.
Prometheus
2014-03-12 01:47:46 UTC
What rivets?? The LEM was not constructed using rivets.
Colin
2014-03-12 07:12:29 UTC
"soviets lied and were bribed to shut up"



Oh dear. Oh dear me. Oh dearie dearie me.



At the depth of the Cold War, with the Vietnam War going full tilt, that's *really* likely, Joe.



Ask your (grand)parents about the politics of the time.
joe
2014-03-12 03:31:55 UTC
JFK speech about landing on moon by 1969, is the reason for the moon landing hoax



Stanley Kubrick faked the video



soviets lied and were bribed to shut up



humans can not survive past the 800 mile goldilocks zone



Know the Lies

Indisputable Scientific Proof!... Man Never Stepped Foot on the Moon and Never Left Earth’s Atmosphere

http://www.knowthelies.com/node/8060


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