Question:
Which telescope to buy?
2009-10-03 17:00:03 UTC
Can anyone give me some advice as to which telescope to purchase?
Hi I am just getting into astronomy and I am looking into purchasing a telescope. I have checked a few out on ebay , any advise would be appreciated.

Here are the links to the listings

Skywatcher Explorer 130 motorised reflector telescope

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320416024648&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

1000-114 New Seben Telescope with Automatic Motordrive

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330354964551&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

1400-150 Seben 6" Telescope with Automatic Motor Drive

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330354965253&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

If the links are not highlighted just copy and paste.

Does anyone know these makes or quality of them? As for the prices the 1 and 3 are roughly the same.3 is bigger but if 1 is better quality it may be better to get that etc.

I know the listings are a bit long but if someone who knows a bit about this subject could look at the Technical Specifications and give a bit of advise it would be a big help

Thank you!
Nine answers:
jonal
2009-10-03 18:31:24 UTC
I agree there is some good advice on here but it's a bit off-putting to be told you have to know everything before you buy.

You have to start somewhere.

Most people of a certain age, like another here and myself who started astronomy young, started with far worse telescopes than any of those on your list because it cost more than a month's pay to buy one!

If you wanted a good telescope in those days you made your own or bought second hand if you were lucky enough to know somebody who had one for sale.

And we didn't have go-to telescopes with computer control.

We learned our way round the sky.

You might not make the wisest choice for your first telescope but you'll have one, and it will still be useful later even if you buy a better one.

So don't worry too much, but you'll still be better off knowing one or two bits first.



So, those telescopes.

None of them is rubbish, but neither are they particularly great.

All are low to mid price and will show a fairly sharp view of a lot of objects, but not at huge magnifications like some silly adverts say about telescopes.



About 25 per inch of aperture is what most telescopes can do, but you can double that for easier viewing so 50 per inch of aperture is often quoted.

So a six-inch does 150x and you can use 300x to see the detail easier but the mounting and the eyepiece and everything else about the telescope and the quality of the sky has got to be really good to use that high a power. Most nights in UK even 200x is pretty tough going for a six inch telescope or any other.

Lists of what magnification and resolution tescopes can achieve for their size are on here with much other useful information.

http://www.ayton.id.au/gary/Science/Astronomy/Ast_Telescope.htm . . . .

For planets a long focus objective lens or mirror of F/8 or above is much better than a short focus one, but for star clusters and the larger nebulae a short focus of f/6 or below gives a brighter image and better views. Catatadioptric telescopes like the Maksutov and Cassegrain have a high F-ratio and are better for planets and for medium and high power views of small bright nebulae and tight double stars.

Many people have two or more telescopes to cover different aspects of observing,

A small short focus refractor for star fields and clusters and generally sweeping around to admire the view, and a long focus refractor or a Newtonian or Maksutov for planets.

Equatorial mounts are not difficult to use but since John Dobson designed his simple and easily-made mount some people now think equatorials are somehow more complicated and advise Dobsonian mounts to be used. but their chief advantages in use are compactness and the ability to mount a large telescope at a low level for convenience of eyepiece height without using steps or a box to stand on, and they are only of use for Newtonian reflectors although vey large Newtonians of course will still need steps or a box for observing objects high in the sky.

http://www.areavoices.com/astrobob/images/Tele1_Me_1.jpg . . . . .

http://www.ct-astronomer.com/images/stellafane2001_5med.jpg . . .



The Skywatcher is reasonable value for money for a budget telescope.

You can get it from Warehouse Express or many other outlets.

Seben are sold by a German company only on Ebay and are the same as so many others but with the Seben name on and mostly have Chinese optics made by Synta, who also make the same lenses for Skywatcher and Helios telescopes. and the cheaper end of the Celestron range.

The Celestron and Helios 80mm F/6 refractors are the same telescope with different cosmetics and prices.



The real nice UK firm is Orion, who make lovely telescopes but they maybe cost more than you want to pay.

There is an American optics firm called Orion as well, but they are NOT the same company, so be careful about mixing them up.

I have two skywatcher refractors and they are OK for what I want them for. Not tops, but OK for the money. Thousands of amateur astronomers use Skywatcher telescopes.



On here, menu left, right down the bottom to the astronomy section ....click on tescopes....then reflectors

you'll see lots of them including skywatcher.

Then go to telescopes...refractors....lots more scopes

http://www.warehouseexpress.com/Home/default.aspx . . . .



Orion telescopes, UK....very nice....gimme,gimme,haha

Just maybe a bit expensive but you'll see what there is from a very good and respected British company.

I've got a big blank pyrex glass disc still waiting to be made into a telescope mirror, very nice price from Orion Optics, ordered at their trade stand in London at Astrofest, but that''s a long winter evenings job for me. Stopped for the summer...finished by next summer.

The Astrofest exhibition is the place to be every Febuary to see the real stuff and have a heart attack over the prices of the big stuff!

This is how rough it can get for a mid-aperture decent scope

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3261007537_6059acfd95.jpg?v=0 . . .

.http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.astronomynow.com/european_astrofest_2009_blog/assets_c/2009/02/IMG_0154-thumb-300x225-89.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.astronomynow.com/european_astrofest_2009_blog/2009/02/new-range-of-skywatcher-at-optical-vision.html&usg=__QSyQ6Mep_PFZYP0q7zn9izT9Gto=&h=225&w=300&sz=45&hl=en&start=56&um=1&tbnid=6Lxz_THX6eJCdM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dastrofest%2B2009%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GPEA%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40%26um%3D1 . . .

The best of the top-quality refractor telescopes of 6 inches aperture can cost more than three times that, with no mounting!



.Lovely show! It's organised by Astronomy Now magazine which you can get in W.H.Smiths or other newsagents.

http://www.orionoptics.co.uk . . . .

http://www.astronomynow.com/astrofest . .



Lots of good links if you scroll right down on here to the black area, and it's got Skywatcher and Orion telescope reviews too,,

,http://www.astronomyforum.net/uk-astronomy-forum/82590-astrofest-2009-a.html . . . .



Oh, and don't believe that everybody on Ebay is a crook or untrustworty or is selling only junk!

Ebay doesn't sell anything. People do, and the comments on here are as bad as saying that all Liverpool people are crooks or all London people sell junk.

No better than racist comments actually.

To say that all Ebay sellers are untrustworthy is doing an injustice to the many good people who use Ebay to sell things.

I bought a very good 8-inch Maksutov and made a good friend when we met to complete the sale, since I don't live in UK all the time and had made a trip to pick it up.

He is secretary of an Astronomy club in a well known city in England and a very good one too!

If he didn't sell it on Ebay but through an astronomy forum or the club notice board would it be a worse telescope?

Would he be a worse person or the same one?

You have to be careful obviously, but not everything on Ebay or Craigs List or any other site is necessarily junk.



Astrophotography is not necessarairily very difficult or expensive. 35mm SLR camera adaptors for standard telescope focusers can be bought from many firms and the cameras are now very cheap second hand. It needs to have a cable release and time exposure capalility, and a mirror lock is very useful to avoid vibrations.

A web cam can be used and the images processed with Registax (free download) and photoshop or similar.

I bought a Minolta 300x for £5 last week, with a 28-70mm lens, from a charity shop, a nice present for somebody starting photography and home developing and printing.

A camera mounted directly on a motor driven mount does very well, with a telescope mounted next to it it for a guide scope. The camers can also be piggy-bcked onto the telescope.

Many of the best amateur photos of large nebulae are done that way. Lenses from 20mm to 300mm are commonly used.

http://www.eskimo.com/~rachford/widefield/targets.html . .

http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/astro/exhibit.html . . .

Here are two telescope questions with some information you may find useful.

https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20090817143947AA9dZzS . . . . .
dimatteo
2016-10-19 12:03:59 UTC
Ebay Telescopes
?
2009-10-03 17:06:58 UTC
First major piece of advice: Don't buy a telescope from eBay!!!!! They are almost all complete junk. All of the ones you've listed are junk, except for the SkyWatcher. though it is on a flimsy mount; you can do much better.



Here are a few web pages with good information on beginner's telescopes:

http://www.gaherty.ca/tme/TME0702_Buying_a_Telescope.pdf

http://www.scopereviews.com/begin.html

http://observers.org/beginner/j.r.f.beginner.html



For more advanced information, read Phil Harrington's Star Ware, 4th edition (Wiley).



You'll get the greatest value for your money with a Newtonian reflector on a Dobsonian mount, such as these:

http://www.telescope.com/control/category/~category_id=dobsonians/~pcategory=telescopes/~VIEW_INDEX=0/~VIEW_SIZE=1000000

http://www.skywatchertelescope.net/swtinc/product.php?class1=1&class2=106



Buy from a store which specializes in telescopes and astronomy, either locally or online; don't buy from department stores, discount stores or eBay as mostly what they sell is junk. Find your local astronomy club and try out different telescopes at one of their star parties:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/organizations



I strongly recommend that beginners steer clear of astrophotography until they have learned their way around the sky. Astrophotography is by far the most expensive and difficult area of amateur astronomy.



Many people who buy telescopes have no idea how to find interesting things to observe. A good introduction to finding things is NightWatch by Terence Dickinson (Firefly). A more advanced book is Star Watch by Phil Harrington (Wiley).
2016-02-26 01:29:46 UTC
I'd recommend an 8 inch Celestron. Yes, you can see Saturn with that. And it's still portable, so you can go find somewhere darker than the airport to set it up. You can also see most other planets, stars, galaxies, and nebula. Light pollution will be a significant problem near NYC, and lead to high sky brightness which means you won't be able to see the fainter objects, like galaxies. But you really can't get around that in NYC anyway, so be prepared to drive out to the upstate somewhere.
B.
2009-10-03 17:56:54 UTC
★ Seriously, I would like to suggest that you join a local astronomy club or astronomical society BEFORE you spend your money on a scope. There are many different kinds of scopes and what is perfect for one person is not perfect for another. Everyone has their own set of eyeballs and no two are the same. If you join a club, you can attend a few of their star parties and try out members scopes to see what works best for YOU, before you buy a scope. The members can also help you when you get your scope and show you how to get the most out of your new scope as well as to help teach you where the treasures in the sky are located. Most clubs have loaner scopes and extensive libraries that you can gather more information from too. Most clubs will have monthly membership meetings with informative presentations given by members and by guest speakers. You can really learn a lot from these clubs and an added plus is all the great new friends you make there too. Go to this site to find a club in your area. http://www.astroleague.org/societies/list

This only has clubs that belong to the National Astronomy League, so there are many more which do not appear on this list. Continue searching google if you don't see one in your area here.



There are several different kinds of telescopes and all of them have some excellent features. Refractors and Reflectors, plus Schmidt-Cassegrain, APO refractors, Mac-Cass, and many more. There are also several mounts to chose from and the mounts are just as important, if not even more important, than the scope is. All of the different scopes and mounts have some features that some people like and do not like.

★ No two eyeballs are the same and the perfect scope for one person might be completely wrong for another person. ★

There is no one scope that is "better" than another ---except for the junk scopes out there which are all just a waste of money. Never, ever buy from Walmart, Costco, Target, or any other discount store like that. Junk scopes are flooded into the market from those stores. You will be buying nothing but bad optics and plastic.

★ If you are new at this, then stay away from anything used from ANY site. If you don't know what you are buying and who you are buying from you will most likely be getting someone else's headache---with no warranty either. Some great deals on used equipment are out there, by people who know how to use and take care of scopes, but if you don't know what you are doing, you might be spending a lot of money on worthless junk. One improper cleaning can destroy a scope. Buyer Beware.



I recommend: http://oriontelescopes.com/

Orion is the very best for value and for customer service too. I have 3 of their scopes and I will only buy from them from now on. My first scope was a manual controlled scope and I am very glad that it was because it forced me to learn where things are in the night skies. Go-To type scopes can be frustrating to use. If you do not have them aligned exactly perfect, they do not find the targets. If you are a beginner, you will be frustrated unless you spring for a GPS Go-To. An object locator is just that---it will locate objects for you (must be aligned first) but an object locator is not a tracking motor. It will not keep the scope on the target. The Orion site has some excellent diagrams and explanations of all types of scopes and mounts.



★ Things to consider are size--can the user lift and transport the scope to the viewing site easily? Does it fit in your car? If not, then it will gather dust in a closet. I recommend a carrying case too so it is protected in storage and transport. Can the viewer reach all the knobs and buttons? I have a long tube large manual refractor and it is very difficult for me to reach the knobs when I am pointed to Zenith. I am not a tall person.



★ Take your time in making your decision.



Some people will suggest that you purchase binoculars. Not a bad idea but don't buy anything less than 10x50 and you must have a tripod too or you will not be happy with your astronomical views because they will be too shaky from your movements. Even your pulse will make them shake. Personally, I prefer a scope to binos because if binoculars are not aligned properly at the factory, then you get double images and distortions that can't be fixed. Most of the cheaper binoculars are not properly aligned. That is not as important for terrestial viewing, but it is a killer for astronomical viewing. Binos can also be bumped out of alignment and become useless for astronomy.

★ Don't try to learn everything all at once or you will be overwhelmed and discouraged. Patience is the key to Astronomy.



★ You will need a good star chart program too.

http://www.stellarium.org/

This is great freeware that you can download. Tell it where you are and it will tell you what you see. Ask it where something is and it will show you. I wish you all the best! Enjoy Life!
Bullseye
2009-10-03 17:27:19 UTC
Don't buy Ebay telescopes unless you already know everything about telescopes!



Take Geoff's advice.
digquickly
2009-10-03 18:58:18 UTC
Stay away from any scope sold on ebay. You just can't trust the people selling there. Also, both scopes are German equatorial mounts which are the most difficult to setup and operate. Get a 6" or 8" dobsonian scope similar to the one in the link below. You really want a scope that is to operate and will hold up over the years.



You might consider joining your local astronomy club. They can give you lots of advice with respect to buying, owning, and operating a scope.
PAULH
2009-10-03 17:11:26 UTC
I agree with Geoff. None of them looks very good to me. and ebay is noted for selling junk telescopes. I would suggest you join an astronomy club and see what members like and do not like. Also quite often clubs lend out telescopes to members. I also recommend Starware by Phil Harrington.
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