Question:
If spacetime is curved by mass then space must have properties aslike matter or energy?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
If spacetime is curved by mass then space must have properties aslike matter or energy?
Fifteen answers:
anonymous
2008-07-16 07:57:09 UTC
Space and time are intimately linked by the speed of light, which is the speed limit of the universe. Since there is a maximum speed an object may attain, then any distance can be expressed as an absolute amount of time.



But the important thing here is that relativity has withstood the test of time (and many many scientists). Relativity is the way we will understand things until we find something better. We know that matter causes gravity. We know that gravity causes acceleration and time dilation. Yet another link between space and time.



So spacetime is the 4-dimensional grid upon which all occurences in the universe rest. Matter warps the grid, it's as simple as that.



And until someone comes up with a simpler theory that works, this is the one that makes sense.



Tesla was a genius, but so was Einstein. They both had different ideas of the universe. Tesla used his ideas to invent many great things. Einstein did as well. The only difference is that Einstein came up with a theory for the universe that still holds almost a century later.
Spazzy- McGee
2008-07-16 08:07:08 UTC
Your assuming space is nothing. Its not. Its out there, we are just used to pushing through air and affecting objects with mass and since space has no mass we assume it is ABSOLUTELY nothing. Space does have other properties. Like it is to this day expanding dynamically. Scientist believe that it was expanding so fast in the beginning of the universe that light could not travel to far because the expansion was constantly creating more space in front of it. Some data suggests the universe is going in to another phase of rapid expansion again. One day we might not be able to see any light from the galaxies we are looking at today as the light from them already en route to us will be pushed back by the expansion.



So, like I said. Don't make any assumptions about the universe. Find out why some scientist talk about the fabric of space and why they think it can be warped and is expanding. If you are going to study the universe at some point in your life you will find a LOT of weird attributes to the universe that are hard to comprehend, my only advice is to take every theory with an open mind.
Quasimodo
2008-07-16 08:13:20 UTC
Space is the receptacle that can contain matter. It is quantified with distance - which you can measure using a ruler.

If there was no mass, spacetime would have been flat. You can visualize this by thinking of a perfect 4 dimensional rectangular grid.



What mass does, is remove some of the points in this grid, and then mend the break/wound by connecting spacetime points that were not connected. The resulting grid is now not flat, but curved. Matter going in a straight line on the original grid would appear to move in a curved trajectory in the new grid, where 'gravity' could be said to have changed its path.
anonymous
2008-07-16 08:07:13 UTC
What Tesla seems to have overlooked is that a curvature of zero is still a curvature. And whatever differences there are between "properties" and "attributes", the fact remains that we are not free to make up attributes for space --- they have to be verified by observation.



However, it is true that while General Relativity makes it *possible* to view gravity as an effect of matter on spacetime, it does not absolutely require us to do so.
Chris
2008-07-16 08:50:06 UTC
In the nineteenth century, there was only one known geometry of space, which Euclid had described two millennia before. Synthetic geometers were picking at the Euclid's parallel postulate, looking for ways to deduce it from his other postulates, when they realized that perfectly reasonable non-Euclidean geometries do actually exist. These are the elliptic and hyperbolic geometries of Gauss, Lobachevsky, Bolyai and so forth. Each is characterized by a single length scale, the curvature radius. Analytic geometers, including Gauss again and especially Riemann, then realized that actually there were infinitely many different geometries whose curvatures vary from one point to another. Curvature, and spatial geometry in general, is like a physical field: it can vary from place to place.



Riemann was the first to point out the immediate implication of his realization of the infinite variety of geometries space might have. Namely, the geometry of the physical space we live in is a question _for_experiment_. We may no longer blithely assume it to be Euclidean for simplicity, as Newton did. Einstein forty years later or so identified the physical effect of spatial curvature with the gravitational field.



I would argue that Tesla's assertion that space has no properties is itself hopelessly metaphysical. If one fixes spatial geometry out of aesthetics, and denies from the beginning that it can be dynamical, how can one possibly probe the question scientifically? Plus, general relativity works so very well to describe things we actually observe. Curved spacetime, to the best of our current scientific knowledge, is simply a fact.
anonymous
2016-04-11 01:34:46 UTC
You are right. Energy does bend space. However, in comparison to the massive amounts of energy stored in matter energy such as photons have no where near enough oomph to bend space to any considerable degree. I posted a few questions a while back like this because I wondered the same thing. If light is affected by the gravity produced by matter, than matter must be affected by light. The answer I got out of my searching was that all energy has gravity and therefore bends space.
anonymous
2008-07-16 07:34:08 UTC
Well, it turns out that space does have properties, regardless of anything Tesla might have said. These properties include curvature and zero point energy, to name a couple. Science is about which theory has the most empirical support, not about which scientist has the catchiest sound bite. That's politics you're thinking of.



Gravity is curvature of spacetime, and mass and energy generate the curvature.
Power 2 the People.
2008-07-16 07:36:38 UTC
The theory is difficult to understand indeed, but space, contrary to it's name, isn't completely empty. Its a vacuum, but it contains particles, electromagnetic radiation, hygrogen plasma, and dark matter/energy ( what makes space so dark looking..is acually a type of matter) Space can not be curved, nor is there gravity in space. Each action must have another action to back off of it in order for the first action to move....so the idea that " something can act upon nothing" is confusing, but simply means that if there are the right components, the tiny bit of energy being admitted in comparison to the energy being admitted in space can act upon each other. Outer space in itself has no gravity, but the celestial bodies of space do have gravity, which if strong enough, reach and act upon space. So If moving in spacetime, clocks do slow down, and and the mass moving is reduced to a simple form of matter- just as everything else in space--

to put in simpler terms, the universe has three dimensions of space, and one dimension of time, and this dimension is often curved if acted upon by a stronger force.



Hope that helped
anonymous
2008-07-16 08:34:03 UTC
i think hes assuming that spacetime is just an abstract and intangible imaginary object, rather than assuming that it is an entirely real object with properties as was the view of Einstein and the entire scientific community today.



so yes, spacetime has properties. this is not argued by anyone. you often year physicists say "its just an inherent property of spacetime"



EDIT: space is the area that matter fits into. without space, there couldnt be matter. picture earth like a swimming pool. if the water represents all the matter in the universe the pool itself represents space.



no one curves space. it is as natural as chemical reactions or biological reactions. thor isnt throwing down lightning bolts, its a natural occurrence. just like the warping of spacetime in the presence of mass.
Zerowantuthri
2008-07-16 08:00:11 UTC
Space is curved. Or rather can curve in the presence of a gravitational field.



This has been proven beyond doubt numerous times (they measured starlight coming from behind the sun during a full eclipse...if space did not curve the light would not have curved around the sun and we would not have seen it).



Tesla was wrong on this one.
?
2008-07-16 07:27:46 UTC
There is no connection between space and time.
Justin B
2008-07-16 07:29:20 UTC
This has to deal with the complications that arise in string theory, and forces other than gravity acting upon an object. No one knows the true answer as technology as it is now doesn't allow us to test our hypothesis. But the 'guess' is that as a unit nears the event horizon of a black hole time for the object moves slower relative to distant objects and this is one reason why space time distortion is hypothesized to exist.
anonymous
2008-07-16 08:30:22 UTC
Tesla may be more right than you know. He knew that another answer for the failure of the Michelson-Morley experiment was that as strange as it may seem... that perhaps the earth is NOT moving. This possibilty can NOT be dismissed just because you feel like it!
anonymous
2008-07-16 07:27:45 UTC
i believe that the "space time blanket" which most people take to be space its self just a physical representation of the divider between our 3 dimensions and the fourth (time)
anonymous
2008-07-16 07:26:24 UTC
This is above & beyond my knowledge & comprehension skills or you're just talking a lot of nothing. Either way i'm interested.


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