Question:
really into astronomy but I'm bad really bad at math?
Austin
2012-09-26 22:38:13 UTC
I love studying and learning about subatomic particles and other many things connected to science and astronomy and i have realized that i would have to know a great deal of physics and geomety but i really suck at math in general what can i do?
Fifteen answers:
Satan Claws
2012-09-27 01:43:34 UTC
really into astronomy but I'm bad really bad at math?



I wonder how many people say (for example) "I'm really into poetry but I'm really bad at English" or "I'm really into martial arts but I hate getting out of my house" or "I really like women but I'm really bad at speaking to people" or "I'd like to travel but I don't know any foreign languages" or "I like mathematics but I hate paper".





i have realized that i would have to know a great deal of physics and geomety



Why would that be a bad thing?





i really suck at math in general what can i do?



Learn as you go. Ask questions. Do more than one thing.



The point is: what exactly do you want to do with it? Because that's the measure of your commitment and "what you can do".



If your interest is just "meh" then of course you'll shy away from taking time to build a foundation. Physics is how you measure things and mathematics is what you use to compare their effects. You can read and learn about astronomy, but you'll always find yourself limited by trying to get away from mathematics, the same way a carpenter couldn't do much woodwork for being afraid of the noise of banging a hammer, or if you tried to read poetry but you only knew the vowels.



Astronomers don't study physics and mathematics "just because", but rather because they're ESSENTIAL for understanding. The comparison with handworking is not entirely disproportionate. But it's only a part of it. Physics and mathematics are TOOLS, but a tool doesn't do the work if you don't know how to use it. If you don't know the tools, and you shy away from them because "it's too much time-consuming to learn about them", then what you'll be able to to will be limited and you'll look at other artisans and think "*How* did she do that?! I wish I could do that too".



So what exactly are you trying to get out of it? Because that'll influence how much work you'll put into learning the tools. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05WS0WN7zMQ
2016-02-25 03:57:04 UTC
There are very few jobs in astronomy if you don't have a PhD in astronomy or physics, and that requires a lot of math. With a bachelors in astronomy, you could teach high school (in most states) or work in a lab or observatory as a data analyst, but you'd still need to take a lot of math to complete a bachelors degree. Or you could get a job in something else and be an amateur astronomer in your spare time, which involves lots of looking at stuff in the sky and very little math.
DLM
2012-09-27 04:15:09 UTC
I was in a similar position. Although I was really good at math up through Geometry and Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus terrified me. It didn't take away my passion for astronomy, it just made me realize that astronomy would likely be more of a hobby for me, than a career path.



You never know, with enough determination and hard work (study, study, study) you might be able to overcome the hardships in math. But there is no rule, and there is no law, that states you have to make a career out of what you love. Amateur astronomers make up the vast majority of astronomers on this planet. Only a very select few actually make a living off of this.
poornakumar b
2012-09-27 07:35:51 UTC
1. If you love Astronomy, you have to do a lot of Mathematics & no other way.

Mathematics needs a kind of mental discipline & time routine. One needs to get into the grove. If A, B or C can do why can't you? Take it as a challenge. Another thing is, if you are tutored it is like swimming by reading a book without your getting into the water. You have to do it yoursel; there is no other way to learn. Do it again & again as a practice.

2. Arithmentic is also Mathematics. But Mathematics is something beyond it. Arithmetical ideas come very handy in Mathematics. Arithmetics at the higher level is a great help in Astronomy where one needs to deal with numbers of extreme order both very big & very tiny. Mathematical ideas start with Algebra, where it is manipulation around the equation that it is all about. This is the stumbling block most people feel that they can hop over everytime instead of getting it out of the way, the initial hurdle that one must get over quickly. Familiary would come fast then. Next, Trigonometry - if you don't know it there is no point in trying to know anything in Astronomy. It is vital. For the love of Astronomy you need to mug up (commit to memory) & fast. These seemingly hard things of which one gets no insight, would reveal themselves later, enriching the experience for anyone, while the others are left far far behind.

The American system of pedagogy is to understand first before learning. Rote learning, memorising is shunned. If the student is given this choice he will have to wait for half a century before he can understand any. But if he is intent upon learning (mastering the fundamentals) he shouldn't be given a choice & he has to take the route of rote learning. The age too (teens) is ideal for it, instead of lamenting later for the things not done at the appropriate age. One can't postpone this activity.

3. After all, Mathmatics is a "language" that one could express ideas in highly compact ways. Mathematics never fails & is ever consistent. So, even after forgetting why you memorised a topic, it would come to memery unfailingly as a tool useful anytime.

4. Once the jinx is broken & you are into Mathematics, you have entry into anything you want by finding your way about, instead of being shunned & kept out for all the time. Remember you can't learn Mathematics after 30s (never). So don't postpone.

5. In school I was a fiasco in Matheamtics. Used to watch others do it & envy. Later I learnt the hard way untutored. And that helped. What I learnt is my own, not given by anyone. It gives me confidence & authority to whatever I say. Professionally too I needed Mathematics that kept me fresh & on my toes. More than that it aided my thinking, made me faster, smarter (I compared with my own self in the past & how it would have been) & cleared my head. From this experience I learnt a few strategies. I don't learn Mathematics as a seperate activity. I read something say, in Astronomy, where I come across 'Spherical Trigonometry' of which I knew nothing. Then I paused on Astronomy & got into Spherical Trigonometry. Because there is a context to it, thinking like an Astronomer I laboured on & mastered it. Now I can solve any problem in Spherical Trigonometry (in Mathematics there are no short-cuts at all). But then it wouldn't have been possible without my funda in Trigonometry (reeling off formulae even in sleep). The same way I mastered the 'magnitude' scale in Astronomy which is really, really convoluted - but not to me now. Break off from Academic approach!!

6. In 21 century (we are still at the beginning) there will be two kinds of people - Mathematically able & Mathematically unable. While the first first kind do things, the second kind attempt, stumble, give up and watch the first one do it.
2012-09-27 01:36:16 UTC
I thought I sucked at math too, for a very long time. Turns out , as long as I'm not taking a timed math test, I'm OK at math. I have had math testing anxiety since the first grade, which was a very long time ago. I've always loved astronomy, but I thought I was dumb in math. I spent a year enrolled at the University of Arizona as an astronomy major after getting my first bachelor's degree, One of my classmates was Carolyn Porco. If you don't know who she is, She is the NASA astronomer who identified the volcano on IO in the first pictures of Io taken by the Galileo probe. . For several reasons, I did not stay at the University of Arizona. I want back to school at Tulane university and got B.S. in geology, which required 2 semesters of calculus. I actually took 4 semesters of calculus. Then I went to graduate school and worked on an M.S.in geophysics, which had a FIVE semesters of calculus requirement. FRESHMAN engineering math is calculus 4 and 5 for non-engineers. . I took those courses AND PASSED, so I am NOT dumb in math. My verbal aptitude is just higher than my math aptitude. Repetition and realizing that a mathematical equation is very similar to a sentence in a foreign language that can be torn apart into phrases that you can translate into English, as long as you understand grammar in both the foreign language AND English, the math equation can solved and turned into another math equation.



I've been an amateur astronomer ever since I can remember, so thinking you suck at math should not stifle your curiosity. , Maybe you are not as handicapped as you think you are. The suggestion to get a tutor is a good one, but motivation can accomplish just as much and more than a tutor can.



Try to ignore any one who says you cannot do something. Peer pressure can really suck sometimes. Consider it to be a personal challenge to YOURSELF to WANT to understand math. Just because some one is good at math and taking math tests does not necessarily mean that person understands how that math equation applies to REAL LIFE. I may have gotten just a "C' in physics 101, but I use those math equation in real life everyday. So do you, although you very likely don't realize that, yet.
nick s
2012-09-27 00:52:40 UTC
You could write about astronomy, create presentations for kids. Help others to get the same passion. That's what I have done.



Generally, those who struggle with math tend to be better at the academic side of things. Sir Patrick Moore who presented "The Sky at Night" on British TV for 50 years + had no scientific qualifications. But just go look up how many books he has written.



You gotta take advantage of what gifts you have.
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2012-09-26 22:49:07 UTC
At degree level and above, physics and astronomy are both branches of mathematics. I'm sorry, but you can't be a professional in these fields without being good at mathematics, so if your heart is set on that career, you have no alternative to making yourself good at mathematics. Sorry.



On the other hand, amateur astronomers have to know very little about mathematics these days, so you could always keep astronomy as a hobby, and settle for a different career.
2012-09-26 23:07:47 UTC
I was lousy at math all the way to the end of high school. Then at age 26 I changed my ways and worked on math every day unfailingly. Eventually I made it through three semesters of calculus for science and engineering majors, and completed other related subjects. I went with a different line of work, but learning that stuff was an enlightening experience, try it, it'll do you good.
Faesson
2012-09-26 22:56:15 UTC
Learn what you really want to do. You can shore up any weaknesses you have by study. Remember, that you can always have astronomy as an avocation. Work during the day teaching mice to sing and at night, head out to your local astronomy club and star hop.
Triangulum
2012-09-26 23:41:22 UTC
I'm kind of in the same situation as you. I have just been teaching myself as much as possible. The library is great for that, and the Internet is just as helpful. If you would like to know a few websites that have helped me, try a few I sourced. Two of them cover many subjects, and the last one has free physics course videos. (As well as many other subjects) The entire course. It's awesome. No signing up or anything.
Justin
2012-09-27 01:35:54 UTC
That is like saying I love books, except I suck at reading. Work at the math, that is the only way. Otherwise your "science" knowledge is limited to colorful pictures, bad analogies, and a tid bits of random knowledge.
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Kevin
2012-09-26 22:49:43 UTC
I agree with BobK. If you really want to improve and you are dedicated, get a tutor. Start with the very basics and make sure you understand it because I see a lot of people struggle with the more difficult stuff because their basics are rusty.
Robert
2012-09-26 22:42:53 UTC
If you work hard at math and get a tutor, you will get better.

There is no other way around it.
John Dillinger
2012-09-26 23:24:55 UTC
That's why our lord, Neil Armstrong (RIP), invented calculators...


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