Is there absolute proof that their is a deity that created the universe?

Question

Even without it committing a religion or organization. Christianity, like any other religions, what Christians seemed not to understand is that they read an entire book without discovering actual proof that there is a being like God that created something out of nothing. (I do believe that there is a entity that did that, but I don't believe in God or any other of these so-called gods or goddesses we know on this entire planet) And I'm not an Atheist. It's just hard to know what you're suppose to believe in.

Most religions, in their beliefs, if you refuse to believe, you'll go to some underground place and be trapped there forever. Unlike God, most gods/goddesses seem cruel and selfish in a evil kind of way. i.e: Kali (the blue alien-like goddess like from the movie Avatar with multi-hands) cuts off people's heads off and chains them on her necklace.

I don't know all the fairy tale stories or myths whatever you want to call them.

Don't say that without God, we wouldn't existed or whatever sounds suspiciously fake.
No b.s.answers please.

Answer 1

If we did absolutely prove the existence of a deity that created the universe, we would then face the question of how that deity came into being. So, having proof of a deity doesn't solve the ultimate problem of knowing where it all came from.



There is an interesting Christian answer in John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".

There is debate about what this actually means, but for our purposes here we could say that before there was anything else there was the Word. This deflects the question to "How the did the Word come into existence?"

Answer 2

Well, since you ask this in Astronomy and Space and not Religion and Spirituality, I guess I have to give you an astronomical answer.



The truth is there isn't a scientific answer because the question is not testable. Specific elements of specific mythology are testable (eg the statement that the Earth is only 8,000 years old; this hypothesis doesn't stand up very well to empirical testing), but the way you've defined such a thing isn't. I personally somewhat doubt that an intelligent being created the universe, but I don't begrudge your belief that one did. It's not really an important question to me, relative to the actual physical structure and observable processes of the universe. I suppose if there is some Great Creator, one ought to be able to tell as much (if not far, far more) about it from such observation than by wallowing in holy books.



Let's suppose there is some intelligent, undetectable force out there that created... everything as we know it, you are still stuck with that quandary of "so whose god is it"? "None of the above" would have to be a distinct possibility. Given that we can't gather data about it, it's a bit of hubris to assume that it has a personal interest in your life and wants one to worship it. But good luck getting empirical evidence that such a being exists in the first place. For all we really know, one might not be required.

Answer 3

Well, ..., you should ask yourself how the Platonist's were able to see through rank paganism centuries before Christ and determined that there was an invisible God who superc-eded all other gods as the creator of all things. They arrived at this position based on pure logic.



Today you can do the same if you'll only apply your mind. For instance, consider any event that happens is our universe. No event in our universe just happens. Rather every event has a cause. Every cause has an effect, and each effect may itself may become a cause or multiple causes in a causal event chain. Such that, if the universe is at size (x) it will be of size (x+1) in a few moments, and a few moments later size (x+2) and so on. Conversely, one can walk the causal chain backwards such that we see the universe at size (x-1), and size (x-2) all the way back to ... size(1) a singularity. Step back once more and you come to 'i' an undefined point in time before anything including the singularity existed.



Some people erroneously maintain that the universe has always existed. Most of these people faded away when Hoyle's Steady State model was discredited, however, despite advances in scientific observations there are few today who cling to that failed supposition. Yet, we know from our observations that the universe is finite in mass and energy, as well as, a finite age. Since it had a definite beginning (and will have a definite end) then there was a point when it did not exist.



Again, some claim that the Universe sprung from nothing. Yet this would be a violation of the

2nd Law of thermodynamics and is a physical impossibility. Some theorists today hold to the ridiculous notion that before the universe came into being that there was nothing; then suddenly the Universe sprang from a "Quantum Fluctuation". Simply put they're saying that when there was nothing to "fluctuate" somehow "Nothing" convulsed and "Something" appeared. Again this notion is a violation of Entropy.



Now here's the rub ...



Logic dictates that someone or something had to have "caused", "created", or "made" the initial singularity that caused all things to come into being. At the point before the singularity existed we enter a realm where there is no chain of cause and effect (at least as this universe knows it). The universe does not exist yet someone or something does exist that is capable of creating the initial singularity but has not yet done so. Whatever that initial agent is, it exists outside of chain of cause and effect, outside of this universe. In other words nothing caused it to come into being. It is eternal, unending, and not in need of a casual event (as we are) to justify it's existence. Essentially, this entity is the "Uncaused Cause".



The question now becomes, is this "Uncaused Cause", progenitor of the singularity, conscious or unconscious? Does it have personality or was it impersonal? If it is unconscious and impersonal then you have to ask yourself how consciousness and personality could arise from the mechanical, unconscious, and impersonal. In fact it could not as that would be a violation of entropy and that is an impossibility. However, if it does have consciousness and personality then both the impersonal

and personal, conscious and unconscious can arise from it. Thus, the "Uncaused Cause" must have personality and consciousness and ergo we arrive at God.



Only those things that had a beginning had a cause. Since God does not have a beginning, He did not need a cause. He then is the only one who can be the ultimate beginner – that first uncaused cause. This uncaused cause of all things is who we call God. This makes God and only God necessary since He was needed to begin it all. The universe and everything in it is not necessary outside of serving God’s purpose, plan, and causal objective.

Answer 4

Nope. Frankly, there is no proof, only human fabrications in the absence of it. I guess I can't prove a lack of existence, but universally accepted science has more explanation than those archaic stories that one person could have made up. Of course, everything is ultimately based on assumption, and we can't 'know' anything for certain. Perhaps you've heard of the 'brain in the vat' concept or the 'problem of other minds'? If not, you probably have at some point thought about something like this and eventually dismissed the thought. We can't trust anything with our lives or our reality, but sometimes, we just have to assume for practicality, and I would argue that this notion of 'science' is about as neutral and universal as we can get. As far as we have determined, life exists in reality as a physical thing - an energy of some sort. An identity and free thought is achieved with a brain to accompany that life: this active quality of experience. First, matter is needed. So how can the traditional idea of a God exist as a living, thinking, conscious being, when it has no definite physical form? Furthermore, how could it have created matter, when it would have needed matter in the first place in order to live. I'm just trying to follow a logical point-of-view, but there is always a theoretical possibility that anything could be wrong.

Answer 5

Who Made the Laws That Govern Our Universe?

“HAVE you grasped the celestial laws?” (Job 38:33, The New Jerusalem Bible) In asking Job that question, God was helping His troubled servant to understand just how little humans really know in comparison with the limitless wisdom of the Creator. What do you think of that comparison?

Humans have learned a great deal about the laws that govern the physical heavens, but most scientists will readily admit that there is much yet to be learned. Again and again, new discoveries have led scientists to rethink their theories on the workings of the universe. Have new findings rendered God’s question to Job obsolete? Or does such progress actually furnish proof that Jehovah is the Author of the laws of the heavens?

The Bible contains fascinating statements that help to answer such questions. Granted, the Bible does not claim to be a science book. However, when it comments on the starry heavens, what it says is amazingly accurate and often far ahead of its time.

Answer 6

" considering that each little thing interior the universe is mathematically calculable," Fail appropriate there, it rather is no longer. regardless of all of the supercomputers interior the international we won't be able to compute the trajectory of Comet ISON it rather is coming near us. it is going to be inspired by the gravity of the planets because it strategies the sunlight and the completed effect of this would't be calculated at this point. it rather is basically one comet that may no longer mathematically calculable. There are billions of different areas of the universe that are actually not mathematically calculable as a results of fact chaos is an quintessential area of the universe. you're additionally forgetting Heisenberg's uncertainty theory. you won't be able to concurrently be attentive to the area and velocity of an merchandise. you could calculate one or the different yet no longer the two on the comparable time. further. This has no longer something to do with the life of quarks. Chaos theory argues that for small alterations interior the preliminary connditions, super alterations in outcomes would properly be predicted and the alterations would properly be in many diverse instructions. arithmetic is used very lots in climate forecasting and over the years, the accuracy of forecasts has stronger dramatically yet there should not be a hundred% accuracy for each element on the exterior of the earth. A forecaster can permit you be attentive to that there will be thunderstyorms the following day and that the thunderstorm is probable to be severe. the following day the forecast enable you to be attentive to that the severe thunderstorms are going to be in a definite district and that tornadoes are probable. No forecast will ever permit you be attentive to that a twister is going to hit your place in 2 hours time. it rather is no longer plausible to be that precise. it rather is no longer a question of no longer know-the way it rather is a question of no longer being waiting to get adequate information and prepare all of the variables in adequate time to be waiting to make the forecast. we are able to calculate the trajectory of many gadgets interior the photograph voltaic equipment yet no longer all of them and it rather is no longer as a results of fact we've not got the mathematical skill to achieve this. it rather is as a results of fact chaos reigns and there is uncertainty.

Answer 7

No--as another answer pointed out, there is no scientific proof one way or another. To put it in scientific terms, God is not "falseable" (meaning there is no scientific test you can currently run that could absolutely prove that God doesn't exist). It is possible to construct a mathematical model for the formation of the universe that doesn't _require_ God to "make it happen", but that's not proof that God doesn't exist.



Here's the problem anybody is going to have trying to prove or disprove the existence of God. For God to have created the universe, He must, by definition, exist _outside_ of the universe. Since we can't test anything outside of our universe, you can't test for God.

Answer 8

I understand your curiosity, firstly, let me just say that the Goddess, Kali, is not an evil being, the heads that make up her necklace are only the heads of evil demons, she will never harm any innocent soul. And all Hindu Gods that you see are all just incarnations of the Supreme God Vishnu. In most religions it says that if you don't believe in that religion, you will be punished for it, maybe you're right, but I'm a Hindu, and what Hinduism says that if a soul was bad, as in you were a bad person, you will be reincarnated as a lesser being and if you were a very good soul, you finally attain what is called "Moksha" which is salvation, we will not say things like if you don't believe in God, you will punished for it, even if you ask the great swamis of India, they will tell you that it doesn't matter if you don't believe in God as God believes in you. Your initial question is that if there is any absolute proof that God actually "exists", I would say no, there is no "proof" that God exists. But people have been following religions like Hinduism for thousands of years so, that is a long time and many people have been following this religion, how can it be untrue if it dates back so far with so many followers, maybe, God didn't want the beings of this universe to know that he existed. Maybe as we go on and advance and become a smarter species, God will show himself more directly. The straight answer to your question is here, that there is no solid proof apart from the Scriptures of the religions, that God exists, but I said these other points because you seemed to have a bit of a confused understanding of the Goddesses like Kali.

Answer 9

Only a "god of the gaps", as our brain instinctively constructs.



Meaning that what we call "God" is simply the answer to what we don't understand. What we do understand, is of course the answer to everything else, and in a scientifically successful society, would continue to develop further.



So what "God" actually is, is an ever-receding realm of scientific ignorance. There by definition isn't and cannot be any evidence, that the god of the gaps can completely recede to nothing, nor is there any evidence that the god of the gaps is definitely an answer. That is why it is THE GAPS, the gaps in the knowledge and understanding otherwise.

Answer 10

"what Christians seemed not to understand is that they read an entire book without discovering actual proof that there is a being like God that created something out of nothing."



Thanks for applying one statement to a MASSIVE group of people. I am sure that not EVERY Christian takes that book literally.



Do you REALLY need us to tell you that the Christian god doesn't exist?!?!?!

Answer 11

Just ask your self who created thousands of God's known all over world in all religions?Or which particular God of which religion created universe? You will laugh all the way to bar to have a cold beer!!!

To bring God,deity etc in this section of astronomy is not good for any one.

Answer 12

No need to write a small essay to answer this one.



Of course there is a deity of the Universe; it's called the great math equation of all physical understanding. Science will try to disprove God yet can't tie the lose ends of theory together and has faith in theory, and religion will try to prove God exists with very erroneous science.



Your out on your own on this one kid choose wisely.

Answer 13

Only as gintable says. There are many things, most things in fact, that we don't know about the universe. However, we have no proof yet that a deity created anything.

Answer 14

no need to write out a lengthy response. the answer to your question "Is there absolute proof that their is a deity that created the universe?" is simple. The answer is no. You seem very intelligent, are you looking for a real answer?, or for guidance.

Answer 15

Is there absolute proof that their is a deity that created the universe?



There is neither proof for it, nor against it. That's why "faith" is described as belief in spite of absence of evidence. That doesn't make it bad or good, it just isn't science and as such doesn't quite find a place in a forum about astronomy.

Answer 16

humans have brains that can ask questions that we cannot answer

all cultures have some kind of belief system it is ingrained in the way we think

we do NOT operate by logic, we operate by experience and assumption ( belief)

Why is there existence rather than non existence. this cannot be answered by laws of science because there is no reason to assume any laws prior to an existing universe



Modern science is only 400 years old out of 4 billion years of the earth probable existence



read the works of Joseph Campbell on comparative religion and myths



a myth is NOT a 'fairy tale" it is a teaching story



what we think we know of gods is a reflection of ourselves



"the Tao is not the Tao" Zen ( if we think we know the transcendental Deity, by definition,w e are wrong)



western religion depends on the concept of the deity revealing itself to humanity

Answer 17

HI Ruben,



Which came first: fictional characters, or their authors? Human brains, or a disembodied consciousness?



With regard to our origins, the facts of our global and universal scientific consensus are as follows (setting aside the high likelihood of life elsewhere in our universe):



~13.72 billion years ago – our universe begins with a big bang singularity, and has continued to expand ever since, evolving structures such as planets, stars, and galaxies

• Big bang:

» http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang



~4.568 billion years ago – our solar system begins to form with the gravitational collapse of a small part of a giant molecular cloud within our Milky Way galaxy, evolving a central star – our Sun – and eight planets, including our Earth

• Formation and evolution of the Solar System:

» http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_and_evolution_of_the_Solar_System



~3.5 billion years ago – our evolutionary tree of life begins with simple single cell organisms (prokaryotes), evolving over geologically deep time into complex single cell organisms (eukaryotes), then multicellular organisms, and eventually carpeting our Earth with a magnificent diversity of life forms

• Timeline of evolutionary history of life:

» illustration – http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/2008/58/Spiral_Page3Meg.pdf

» table – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolutionary_history_of_life



~7 million years ago – our hominan ancestors speciate from the ancestors of the chimpanzees, beginning the branch on the tree of life that evolves into our species

• Timeline of human evolution:

» http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution



~200,000 years ago – the earliest fossil evidence for anatomically modern Homo sapiens appears

• Human evolution:

» http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution



Note that almost the entire history of our universe has already occurred before we Johnny-come-lately humans put in an appearance, and all the while well-understood, undirected, natural processes have been increasing the complexity of first inorganic then organic entities, without any evidence whatsoever of a supernatural intelligence having any part to play in the evolution of stars, planets, life, and humanity.



From an anthropological viewpoint, we can see that a commonality along pre-scientific human societies all over the world is the invention of deities – imaginatively created mythological entities, to help explain all the natural phenomena affecting those people (disease, death, sunshine, moonlight, weather, earthquakes, volcanos, floods, hunting success/failure, thunder and lightening, drought, famine, etc.) for which they lacked a naturalistic explanation. Although we now have scientific explanations for these phenomena, and indeed for all the other questions for which ‘God did it’ used to suffice, nevertheless many people still cling to the delusion that one or some of the thousands of deities created by our ancestors actually exists (outside of the oral tradition or written literature in which it/they occur). Alongside those deities are their associated creation myths and cosmologies – all of which are factually wrong, because the ancient folk who invented them were ignorant of the gargantuan age (13.72 billion years), or vast extent (~93 billion light-years in diameter), or astronomical complexity of our observable universe.



Our uniquely human hyper-social ability to design, create, and improve complex tools within our communities, when combined with our evolved psychological trait to understand our world using stories, led our ancestors all over the planet to reify our design-and-build culture into thousands of different and mutually exclusive supernatural, fictional, design-and-build deities. But these days, our global and universal origin story, summarised above, is natural, factual, and godless.



So as far as I can see, by collectivising our birthright faculties of intelligence, evidence-gathering and reason through the scientific method over several centuries, we have transcended any need to believe in any and all of the deities which our ancestors invented.



“Is there absolute proof that there is a deity that created the universe?”



Absolute proof is only achievable in mathematics, and since “a deity” isn’t reducible to a mathematical entity, your question will forever remain unsolvable. However, I’m sufficiently satisfied that every deity is a human story-telling invention, and since fictional characters are created, not creators, I think it’s safe to say that no deity created our universe.



Hope that’s broadened your understanding, and given you some pointers for further exploration,



Share and Enjoy, Peace-&-Love, Dalinian – ★ ☮ ♥ ꂨ ♻

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Answer 18

I have no proof that you exist, never-mind anything else. My own existance, in some form, is all that I can be sure of.

Answer 19

if there is a deity that created the universe where did he hang out before it was created and who created that for him

Answer 20

No. That is why such a practice and belief system is aptly called "faith."

Answer 21

First of all, all religious preachers would tell you that there is no absolute truth.

Answer 22

We outgrew and rejected God, their leader is in chains producing gold and electricity for Scotia.

Answer 23

None.

Answer 24

No way.

Answer 25

Ask yourself in your heart and you will get the answer.