Question:
Did we really land on the moon?
2007-05-09 20:23:52 UTC
When John F. Kennedy said we would put a man on the moon, we were in a race with Russia to lead space exploration. Scientific advancement in this area was a metaphor for which nations idea of civilization was most beneficial to the human race. In my eyes, it would have been more than possible to fake a moon landing at that time. Since then, I have heard nothing about lunar exploration until Bush's state of the union where he stated we would be back on the moon in 10 years, and on mars in 25. I bring up none of the conspiracy theories, only ask why in the age we are in cannot obtain a goal any faster than the 60's.
21 answers:
StandTall
2007-05-09 23:08:37 UTC
Back then, there was a goal to beat the Russians to the moon. Ever since the US achieved the goal, they have no more interest and stop.
lambdin
2016-10-15 10:15:57 UTC
Its been shown time and time agin, we did land on the Moon. would I additionally remind you that there became into 6 Moon Missions that landed on the lunar floor throughout the Apollo era. None of those Apollo Moon landing's have been hoaxed. i'm going to communicate and disprove the conspiracy theories you would be able to nicely be attentive to. think of roughly it logically; The spacecrafts have been extremely released by ability of NASA, that's difficult to faux. 2d the Apollo crafts ought to not have orbited the Earth for 8 days as lots of the conspiracy theorists have claimed. If NASA had of performed that they could have been caught on their lie, exceedingly in the event that they did it six situations. The Russians tracked the Apollo missions very heavily and that they knew for a incontrovertible fact that not one of the missions have been faked. in the event that they only had the slightest clue that the Moon landing became into faked it could have been the excellent propaganda weapon for use against the U. S. and to Capitalism. The flag waves via fact it became into planted in the soil and Armstrong twisted the poles. it is obtrusive via fact in different photos you will discover the flag isn't moving while he walks previous it. additionally the rationalization there is not any blast crater below Apollo 11 is with the help of the fact while the craft landed it decreased velocity upon landing on the Moon's floor, so all that it did became into blow away airborne dirt and dust. the comparable is with driving right into a carpark in view which you do not stress in at 30 miles an hour. Over 3 quarters of a million human beings have been engaged on the undertaking in finished. it could have been impossible for each a million of them to maintain a secret. Even filming the landing could have been harder than landing on the Moon itself. think of with regard to the style of human beings they might have necessary to shoot the Moon landing in a movie studio. ultimately if the Moon landing became into faked, we would have found out years in the past. those issues do not final 40-one years without an answer.
aftercolumbia2
2007-05-10 14:34:32 UTC
We screwed up. We fickle humans really have no idea what human civilization exists for and fail to grasp opportunities to advance, usually because we're scared of being responsible for our own future...IMHO anyway.



A moon landing could have been faked, and this of course is borne by the excellent lunar mockups and simulators that NASA created prior to landing on the moon, and the much better live TV pictures you could get of those (compared to grainy B&W pictures of Niel Armstrong's spacesuited behind.) But there are a number of pieces of evidence that show NASA did not fake the Apollo landings, the most obvious of which is the Soviet Union's perspective. If NASA had actually faked the lunar landings, do you think the Soviet Union wouldn't call our bluff? Not only didn't they, they abandoned and covered up their own huge efforts, including the most expensive Fourth of July fireworks show ever put on (more specifically the N1-5L launch test of the Soviet Union's Saturn V class booster, the N1, on 4 July 1969 (their time.))



There are thousands of witnesses to the launches who can't be muzzled, hundreds more for the recoveries (they can be muzzled, but it would be very expensive and unlikely to succeed) and most importantly, thousands of witnesses to some of the TLI maneuvers, which proved that the spacecraft were sent on their way to the moon. As civilians, they can't be muzzled. Finally, there are telescopic observations (including those of Apollo XIII's O2 tank two venting, the most distant) that prove the missions were on their way. No telescope can resolve the actual landers on the surface from Earth...at least not yet. Finally, Apollo XII's upper stage, thrown into a heliocentric orbit and rediscovered after visiting Earth in 2002. This strange asteroid was identified after telescopic spectrometers revealed it was apparently made of a titanium based white paint. It has since departed Earth again, presumably to revisit in a couple more decades.



A comment on a previous post: it's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, not Joint Propulsion Laboratory.
2007-05-09 21:52:31 UTC
If you haven't heard of anything about resuming manned exploration beyond earth's orbit until Bush's speech, you weren't listening.



And as far as the idiotic conspiracy theorists are concerned, none of them has yet coe up with any real evidence that the lunar missions were faked--and they never will. For the simple reason that the lunar landings were real.



And common sense should tell you that. As you say, we were in a space race. Don't you think if NASA tried to fake it, the Russians would have said SOMETHING? Get real.
Josh
2007-05-09 20:46:40 UTC
We have rocks that came from the moon, the ship carrying the astronauts was tracked by more than just nasa all the way to the moon and the reason we're going back is for a completely different reason than why we went in the first place. We first went to the moon to try to discover it's origin. (which we believe was from a collision with a mars sized planet that blew out debris from the earth into a disk that coalesced into the moon. The reason we're going back now is to explore the possibility of setting up a space station on the moon to observe the heavens(no atmosphere on the moon) and to use it as a leaping off point to longer missions (the first being mars) because launch from hte moon takes much less feul than from earth ( much less gravity)
Mattias
2007-05-09 20:35:09 UTC
It's much too costly to send a man to the moon today for no real scientific gain whne it's much more cheaper to send unmanned probes.



Also the space program technology hasn't progressed much since the end of the Cold War due to the lack of incentive and funding. Most of the funding that went into NASA were used for keeping the program running and not to develop new technologies.



Hopefully it seems like the private sector spaceareonautics are taking the lead here and are developing new and more cost efficent ways of space travel.



The idea that the moon landing was faked is mainly discredited and not taken seriously by most historians and scientists who've looked at the facts.
M. A. CrispLogic
2007-05-09 21:26:31 UTC
So $28 billion is way too expensive?? It's funny how we can spend $5 billion per month on war -- something that tears nations and peoples apart -- and not have money for the advancement of mankind.



I agree with you. The claim that "we'll do it in 10 years" only feeds my suspicion that we most likely did not go in the first place. That's why NASA is the shameful bore that it is now, lackluster and dull; too busy covering its lies.



We should've had a moon base long ago. The argument "been there done that" has no merit. This is not a family picnic trip to the Yosemite! It's the moon! Why build a space station when we could've had a moon station? Blaming it on money is a cheap excuse. Going back (assuming we went) and establishing a permanent base on the moon is only a natural step towards expanded space exploration.



Here are some news stories about how the original moon landing tapes got lost and found and lost again and found again. It's ludicrous.



(And get this....where were the original video tapes of the moon landing found?? Of all places, in AUSTRALIA!! Of course! That's believable!)



Audio Tapes related to moon landing discovered? Hence they were lost some time ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1552367.stm (9/19/01)



Lost Again??



http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200608/s1715780.htm (8/2006)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4791883.stm (8/2006)



Lost Moon Landing Tapes Discovered?



http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/818 (11/2006)





(Note: Those original tapes differed from the copies we currently have mainly in that the original were higher-quality pieces...and thus they could be used to give better data to verify the landings. It's hard to believe that the most extraordinary achievement of mankind could end up getting lost over and over again.)

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Just because people saw them "going up" and that they indeed "went up" doesn't mean they reached the destination. Naughty kids that skip school do indeed set out on a trip to go to school; whether they get there or not is another matter.



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Just because we have moon rocks doesn't prove that we went there and got 'em. We have rocks from Mars! Remember the big commotion a little over a decade ago about the probability of life on Mars? (http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9608/06/mars.life/index.html) Well that meteorite which contained that evidence was taken from Antarctica, not Mars... it simply fell to the Earth.



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Recently, a European spacecraft orbiting the moon was supposed to "kill" this "conspiracy theory" by simply photographing the Apollo landing sites -- a very good idea that I support.



But guess what?



According to these newstories, even though those sites were photographed, those pictures haven't been released... Well at least not yet. Note: It's been over 2 years since that story was released and as far as I know, those pictures haven't yet been released...



If anyone knows if they have been released, I'd appreciate them posting that evidence, for my edification, in order to finally put a nail in the coffin for this "myth."



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7091082/

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2005-03-04-moon-landing-snoop_x.htm





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I'm not saying that I believe with certainty that the moon landing was a hoax. I simply don't know; I'd like to believe it happened. But I can't simply accept that it happened based on the good intentions of the people involved (or of the bad intentions of governments, local and foreign) nor on anecdotal evidence. Most people simply aren't trustworthy. Hence the need for verifiable, unbiased evidence. This is not a matter of proving that the landing never took place, its about proving that it happened. The onus is on the believers to prove it.



Still, I think the retroreflectors placed there are probably the best evidence. But those can be placed via unmanned probes, right? I just believe the opposition has some credible points that still haven't been resolved.



Dismissing conspiracy theorists by categorizing them as crazy and throwing insults doesn't prove anything. The truth should be irrefutable. I'll wait until 2008 for the trailblazer to put this matter to rest or until some real evidence surfaces.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
Chug-a-Lug
2007-05-09 21:48:31 UTC
At this time, returning men to the moon just isn't cost effective. For one thing, we don't have any boost vehicles capable of making the trip. Mars needs to be our next deep-space target 'cause we've never been there, and there have already been six manned landings on the moon.
Theban
2007-05-09 21:45:42 UTC
I would say, "Yes." Problem "is" that we haven't done it "since" because those who went on the lunar mission came close to not making it. Even with the advancements in technology, the cost is not worth the "effort," just as it wasn't the first time. Spending billions just for "bragging" rights?, you tell me. It is why Nasa has involved itself in more productive endeavors since. Space exploration is more benefical when done by robotic spacecraft rather than subjecting men to long flights in space.........UNLESS in the future we find a BETTER and FASTER way to travel from one place to another in space......
Nash
2007-05-09 20:41:14 UTC
Sure we did. But now its a "been there done that" kind of thing. When it was a complete unknown, there was great percieved value in every piece of new informnation.



After visiting there, the percieved value of returning goes down. How much are we going to learn from looking in every pothole that we can extrapolate from what we already know and can see from telescopes?



Familiarity breeds contempt. So the interest is in doing something new like visiting Mars but that would require a much greater committment of time and resources than the current economy warrants.
FM
2007-05-09 21:30:06 UTC
Your instincts are correct! To say we never went back because of money is ludicrous. Congress hands out money like it is going out of style. Money is not the object of what impedes us from going back, but that great galactic ghoul that is displayed in the Joint Propulsion Laboratory called "radiation" is what impedes us now, the past, and in the future. Show us the lunar debris on the moon through telescopic or lunar centric satellites and the conspiracy issue will rest. The space race is being reinvigorated to employ "full spectrum" dominance of this planet. Now you know my inquisitive friend.
nick s
2007-05-09 21:37:23 UTC
To question the moon landings is



1. Totally ignorant - the people who do either have no idea about conditions on space (and basic photography - that nonsense about not seeing the stars is so basic to photgraphy it is laughable), or people who just have such small lives they revel in conspiracy nonsense.



2. Totally thoughtless - Armstrong was just the first of 12 men to walk on the moon - the lost video tapes are just ffrom that first landing.



3. Totally thoughtless - hundred of controllers and operators monitored the moon landings. To even begin to think you could get a hoax "movie" past them for THREE years of the moon landings is just beyond even arguing about.



4. Totally insulting - those men put their lives on the line to go on the most fantastic expeditions mankind has done to date, and it beats me up that snivelling little know nothings have got the audicity, with absolutely no knowldege of the history, to doubt it.



But of course, only those who know we went to the moon will read this. Not sure why we bother.
2007-05-09 22:28:41 UTC
Only someone who was too young to experience it at the time would ask if it really happened. As for the rest: Been there, done that. Why in this age we can't live in peace and eliminate hunger and global warming? It is a matter of priorities.
ck_pinna
2007-05-10 04:59:38 UTC
Don't you think Russia would have said anything if it really was a conspiracy?

I know people have found some "mistakes" in the footage, but didn't russia see it as well?
Gene
2007-05-09 20:29:13 UTC
We're not willing to spend the 28 billion dollars right now. The whole conspiracy was started by the Flat Earth Society to discredit photos of a round earth.
2007-05-09 20:39:04 UTC
It would be easier to go to the moon than it would be to fake it and keep all the people quiet. Clinton couldn't even get a BJ with out every one finding about it and that was in his private office, how could they keep all those people from making a buck in TV. talk shows?
Tootles McFlurry
2007-05-10 05:16:02 UTC
Nope......not certain it was Hollywood either.....too many security risks. Probably film set in Area 51.
2007-05-09 20:56:31 UTC
Start a big rumor that there are terrorist on the moon and mars and I am sure Bush will send 150,000 troops there in less than a month.Yeah that should work.
count alucard
2007-05-09 21:06:28 UTC
yep
chocky gal
2007-05-09 21:49:27 UTC
no not at all it was only a faking...a pure fake.............check out the video and u will come to know..........



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1138935117048624484&q=fake+landing+on+moon&hl=en
2007-05-09 20:28:18 UTC
Because we landed on the moon in Hollywood. Not space...!!!


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