Question:
Do you believe man has really been to the moon?
H
2011-04-15 12:02:24 UTC
If we can't even control radiation such as the one that has been released from the nuclear reactors in Japan, then how can COSMIC RAYS be avoided? I know they have "special" spacesuits, but even that cannot possibly keep astronauts safe?
Twenty answers:
quantumclaustrophobe
2011-04-15 12:07:43 UTC
Yes, I really do...



And, exposure to cosmic rays, while not advisable, are survivable. The radiation in the #3 reactor unit of Japan is about 25 *million* times the intensity of Cosmic Rays, in fact...



The Astronauts did receive higher particle absorption than they did had they just stayed on Earth; but it was the equivalent of a set of X-rays in the doctor's office.



To add to your additions...

"why didn’t America make a signal on the Moon that could be seen from Earth? It could have been easily done with magnesium flares."

Actually, we did. 4 of the 6 landers have a special reflector unit that returns light rays at exactly 180 degrees from which they originate - and we bounce laser beams off of these routinely to measure the distance to the moon.



"I know that the pressure inside a space suit was greater than inside a football. The astronauts should have been puffed out like the Michelin Man, but were seen freely bending their joints."

In fact, the Lunar suit was one of the first to incorporate a double inner-bladder, so the hardened joints in the knees, elbows, shoulders, and thighs could bend "more" easily than earlier suits (the kind used for space walking on Gemini). But, they were still *very* rigid... next time you go to a museum that has an Apollo lunar suit on display, take a closer look - it's almost a hardened shell; it looks like it's covered with paper mache. The pressure bladder that held the astronauts' atmosphere was *inside* the suit. And, look at the movies of the astronauts on the moon - some of them fall down - and they can't hardly stop themselves - their joints simply didn't work *good* enough to catch themselves when they over (or under) balanced....



I worked for a brief time under Pete Conrad; he was the foulest-mouth, most unforgiving SOB ever... but he *always* told the truth. And, usually it was done brutally.... in front of crowds. To think he was part of a "coverup" is simply unthinkable. I would bet his wife *never* asked, "Does this dress make my butt look big?" Because *he* would tell her the *EXACT* truth. Always.



Think what you want... you're welcome to. But be sure to give the evidence of landing as much thought as evidence of a cover-up.
Scott Stevenson-Done with Y!A
2011-04-15 14:01:50 UTC
Actually, a lot of what you know is, to be honest, outright lies told by people who try and rope people in with stuff that sounds scientific, but it's not.



The space suits are a good example. The atmospheric pressure at sea level on earth is about 14.7 psi--that's where the "greater than a football" line comes from. However, our atmosphere is only 20% oxygen, so the "partial pressure" of oxygen at sea level is only about 3 psi.



Since the astronauts were breathing pure oxygen, they didn't need 14.7 psi of pressure to breathe and function in the suit--they only needed about 3 psi. The suits were pressurized slightly above this, but it was less than 4 psi. BTW, you can find that info on page 4-45 of the technical manual for the "Apollo Extravehicular Mobility Unit"--which was what the suit and backpack were called as a unit. The version of the document I've got dates from October 1969, but there are older versions available.



See, that's the problem with the people pushing this hoax junk. There has been a public document available for the past 40 years that refutes their claims, but they keep making them, and pretending that contrary proof isn't out there.



As far as the "magnesium flares", those would require oxygen to burn. Even if you could somehow get the oxygen to the magnesium, a flare big enough to be visible from earth also would have done a spectacular job of incinerating the crew on live television.



Which brings up another point--there was live television _from the surface_--if that doesn't convince someone, why would a magnesium flare? (And yes, we know it actually came from the surface. Other countries (including the Soviets, who hated us, but weren't stupid) acknowledged it). If you had a big enough dish, you could get the signals directly, but you had to be pointed right at the right part of the moon. An "unmanned" transmitter wouldn't have worked, because the signal delay time would have been wrong. And they were able to monitor the progress on the way there and back the same way. And it wasn't fakeable for the same reason.



BTW, did you know that the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has taken pictures of all of the Apollo landing sites, including some where you can actually see the tracks the astronauts made walking around? For years, we kept hearing "If they really went, why can't you aim a telescope at the moon and see the stuff?" (ignoring the small fact that to get that good a resolution from earth, it would take a telescope a mile or so in diameter to see objects that small). Now that we've got a probe orbiting the moon that provided the photos, there's no acknowledgment of the photos, but the hoax claimers are strangely quiet that one of their favorite pieces of "evidence" no longer works.



People who claim we didn't go to the moon have been recirculating (and roping people in) with the same tired lies that have been disproven a thousand times over the past 40 years. They can't come up with anything new, so they have to keep repeating the old.
2011-04-15 18:02:16 UTC
Cosmic rays are not hard radiation, they are easily stopped by the hull of the spacecraft itself.

Radiation from a nuclear reactor is a completely different form of energy.



"why didn't America make a signal on the moon" - no need to. They set up reflectors that scientists on Earth used to reflect laser light back to Earth.



The spacesuits had a number of structural features that made it possible to walk (but if you watch the videos, its obvious they had very little freedom of movement). Valves controlling the air pressure around the joints, pleats and accordion joints among other things.

The biggest problem for the astronauts was the very fine lunar dust that was abrasive on the suits and caused some potentially life-threatening degradation of the suit material and equipment.



Physics may not be your subject - that's fine, we have no problem with that. But then why would you ask a question that shows a lack of basic understanding of physics - wouldn't it have been better if you had done some research first...?
Larry454
2011-04-15 12:07:41 UTC
The Apollo astronauts had adequate protection from excessive solar radiation by virtue of their spacecraft and their suits. If they had been exposed to the effects of large solar flares while they were outside on the lunar surface, they may have encountered significant risks. The solar activity was monitored throughout the missions to reduce this risk, which fortunately did not prove to be an issue.



ADDED: I agree that there is no need to be rude. Just answering the questions. There were plenty of signals that were sent from the moon to the earth by the astronauts. That is how we heard them talking and watched them as they walked on the surface. The pressure inside the Apollo suits was actually only about 4 psig, which is much lower than a football at about 12 psig. You are correct that a higher pressure would have limited their freedom of motion, but they did not use a higher pressure.



This technology is generally misunderstood by the public at large, so I am glad that I could respond with what little I know on the subject. I am not sure what your views are, specifically, but hopefully you are open to the facts.
Raymond
2011-04-15 12:09:45 UTC
I don't have to "believe", because I know.



They can control somewhat the radiation in Japan, what they can't control is the leaks. Still, you do not see astronauts dropping like flies because of Japan, do you?



Cosmic rays cannot be avoided. Just going by plane on a transatlantic flight gives you five times the amount of exposure to cosmic rays that you get while on the surface.



However, if you believe the lies that hoaxers are spreading about the Van Allen belts, even Dr. Van Allen did not believe them. And yes, special suits CAN (and do) keep astronauts safe... on relatively short journeys. The real problem will be when we finally go to Mars (or anywhere else).
?
2011-04-15 13:13:18 UTC
It is not a question of belief, but one of historic fact.



The six Apollo Moon landings are among the best documented events in human history: thousands of pictures, hours of video, 382 kg. of Moon rocks, and millions of eye witnesses, including myself. There is not a single scientist in the world who doubts that they took place. To deny them is to discredit the magnificent achievement of the team which went to the Moon, and to reveal abysmal scientific ignorance.



The proofs of the Moon landings have been documented in detail on web sites like these:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

http://www.clavius.org/



If further proof is needed, NASA recently released images from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter showing 5 of the 6 Apollo landers, still on the surface of the Moon:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html



> how can COSMIC RAYS be avoided?



Cosmic rays can't be avoided anywhere, including here on the surface of the Earth. You are being hit by them constantly.



> why didn’t America make a signal on the Moon that could be seen from Earth?



They did: lots and lots of radio signals, which were received by radio astronomers all over the Earth.



> I know that the pressure inside a space suit was greater than inside a football.



I don't know where you got that idea, but it's totally wrong. The pressure inside a space suit is one atmosphere. Otherwise, what would be the point?
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
2011-04-15 12:41:09 UTC
You obviously don't know very much about radiation, and the different kinds of radiation, and the difference between exposure and contamination.



Would it kill you to read a book, and educate yourself? maybe then you can form an informed opinion on such matters.



The Apollo Moon landings were real. Every Scientist, Engineer, and people educated enough to understand such things accepts that fact. Even the ones from countries hostile to the USA.





Edited to add-



Now you are just copy+paste the work of Ralph Rene without giving any thought to whether it's true or not. Almost everything Ralph Rene says is wrong.

Magnesium flares would not be seen on earth unless they were on the unlit portion of the moon. They always landed in sunlight. Also, it wouldn't be seen as proof as it could be done by an unmanned lander.



Footballs are pressurised to around 15PSI. The space suits were pressurised to 4PSI. The space suit was designed not to balloon under this pressure as that would be useless.
Just me again ☺
2011-04-15 12:05:55 UTC
Yes we have been to the Moon several times. And we have people stationed in the International Space Station 365 days a year. Also there is a big difference between containing the radiation and deflecting it.



Apollo Space Suit Specifications.

Note the inside pressure is only 3.7 to 3.9 pounds per square inch. Much less than a football.



temperature endure to : from -290 to +310 Fahrenheit (from -179 to +154 Celsius)

inner pressure : 3.70 - 3.90 pound / square inch

running time : 7 hours(continuously), 160 hours(total)

weight : approximately 180 pound (all equipments include PLSS)

manufacturer : Space suits : International Latex Corp.(ILC DOVER Inc. at present)

Back Pack (PLSS) : Hamilton Standard Division of United Aircraft Corp., Windsor Locks, Connecticut



The ongoing Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment measures the distance between the Earth and the Moon using laser ranging. Lasers on Earth are aimed at retroreflectors planted on the moon during the Apollo program, and the time for the reflected light to return is determined. The distance to the Moon is calculated approximately using this equation:



Distance = (Speed of light × Time taken for light to reflect) / 2.



The distance has been measured with increasing accuracy for more than 35 years. The distance continually changes for a number of reasons, but averages about 384,467 kilometers (238,897 miles). The round trip time is about 2½ seconds.
Brigalow Bloke
2011-04-15 14:42:02 UTC
There is no place on Earth or even under it that is "safe" from cosmic radiation. Neutrinos produced in the cores of stars including the Sun pass right through the Earth all the time as if it was not there. Go down to be bottom of a mine and they are still there, and still passing through you. However they do no damage.



On the surface we are constantly being struck by solar and cosmic radiation which the atmosphere and even the buildings we live in cannot stop entirely. This is mainly electromagnetic radiation of very high frequency, higher than X-rays. But all electromagnetic radiation is absorbed by any substance it passes through, even air, the amount of absorption depends on the exact frequency and is inversely proportional to the thickness of the medium. So if you double the thickness of the medium, you halve the amount of radiation. This applies to radio waves, infra read, light, ultra-violet, X rays, gamma rays, cosmic rays, the lot. The practical effect is that people in airliners and those who live at high altitudes get more of these than people living near sea level.



At very high altitudes, just into space are the Van Allen belts discovered years before the Moon missions. These are regions where charged particles from the solar wind produced and expelled by the Sun circulate under the influence of the Earth's magnetic field. These are not like the high frequency electromagnetic radiation I mentioned before and can be deflected or partially stopped by thin sheets of metal, plastic, even paper, depending on exactly what form of radiation it is. Metals are best. When these particles are slowed down or stopped, by the metal skin, they radiate in the electromagnetic spectrum at various wavelengths and in all directions. So the energy that these things contain is spread over a sphere and little of it would get through to the insulation inside a space capsule, then it has to get through the instruments in the capsule, then through the clothing the astronauts wear. Of course, not everything is stopped by these things, but it does reduce them a lot.



Now the other thing is the Van Allen belts are not uniformly dangerous. Some parts of them are more dangerous than others, but these are moderately thin layers compared to the entire belts. So if you are in a space capsule travelling at high speed you pass through them in several minutes. Can you pass your hand through the flame of a camp fire quickly and not get hurt?



It would take a gigantic magnesium flare to be seen from the Earth against bright moonlight. This would be like trying to see the flame of a match by day from a quarter mile away. What was done is that large amounts of radio signals were sent. Telemetry from the capsules, astronaut voice communication and television pictures. Some of this was picked up by an amateur radio operator in North Carolina with equipment he built himself. If an amateur could do this in 1969, then what could professional radio engineers in any country in the world do?



You can be very certain that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics watched every step very carefully by radio and received the TV pictures directly, and tracked the signals across the sky to be sure they were coming from the Moon.



I don't know where you got the idea of the pressure in the suits being higher than in a football from.

This would be the reverse of a good idea. At sea level on Earth the average atmospheric pressure is about 14 pounds per square inch, and the air contains 20.93% oxygen, 78.1 % nitrogen, 0.94 % argon, a little CO2 and other gases. If you make up a special gas mixture, which is easy. you can reduce the pressure inside a space suit or space capsule from 14psi down to 7psi, as long as you double the amount of oxygen. You could reduce it still further to maybe 3 or 4 psi if you use a mixture of about 82% oxygen and 18% nitrogen. It is the partial pressure of oxygen that humans need, not the total. This would solve a lot of engineering problems.
Rose Ryda
2011-04-15 12:08:44 UTC
You are comparing two completely different things to try and give your own views credit.

Stop twisting facts.



The nuclear problems in Japan has NOTHING TO DO WITH SPACE TRAVEL.

The plants in Japan went critical, spewing radiation out all over a country. You can't just show up, turn on a vacuum and suck up the radiation. You could, however, put on a suit and safely move about the radiation.



That's all that we do with space travel. The best offense is a good defense. They take pre-emptive measures to stop solar radiation, so they never come into contact with it.
lunatic
2011-04-15 12:08:46 UTC
Men have walked on the moon and have been exposed to cosmic rays and lived. Their exposure was documented and the effects studied. The space station is bombarded by cosmic rays constantly yet people have lived there for months at a time.
JerryJ
2011-04-15 12:48:54 UTC
There is no need for belief. Facts don't require belief. You really need to read up on the subjects because it appears you know little about them. Here are some places to start:



About the Apollo missions:

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo.html



Here is an informative article describing the situation in Japan:

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/



And here is where you find current, factual status information:

http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html



And a slide presentation that describes the effects:

http://www.slideshare.net/iaea/fukushima-radiological-monitoring-and-consequences-12-april-2011



And here is a chart that helps make sense of the numbers:

http://www.xkcd.com/radiation/
2011-04-15 12:06:54 UTC
The space shuttles and other various spacecraft are coated in gold plating to protect the astronauts and equipment from cosmic radiation and extreme temperatures.there is other protective material within the space suits and within the coating on the spacecraft.
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2011-04-15 12:17:34 UTC
Yes. Because Japan is a country. They can't possibly like cover the whole Japan or something and they can't make something that can save Japan in just a few months/weeks..... Of course they need some time...
?
2011-04-15 12:26:55 UTC
Yes Man has been to the moon and we have sent our machine to various out-reaching parts of our solar system including the surface of Saturn's moon titan and is en route on the 2015 mission to pluto and the kuiper belt.



Cosmic rays are a vital part of the universe, one role is in the nucleosynthesis of lithium, beryllium, and boron.
Faesson
2011-04-15 12:18:07 UTC
You're right! How did I miss that before?



Everyone in Japan needs to wear a spacesuit.
Chug-a-Lug
2011-04-15 12:28:12 UTC
The effect of cosmic rays on humans is not serious unless exposure continues for more than a couple of years. (..http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/S2ch3.htm..)
IndianaJohn
2011-04-15 12:15:48 UTC
yes, we have been there





http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/db/science/apollo-moon-landing-photos-fake.html
2011-04-15 12:03:25 UTC
yes it can,
Billy Butthead
2011-04-15 12:21:33 UTC
So they say.


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